The last trump or the seventh trumpet? Make thee two trumpets




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THE LAST TRUMP OR THE SEVENTH TRUMPET?
Make thee TWO trumpets of silver . . . that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. -- Num. 10:2

1 Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump (G4536): for the trumpet shall sound (4537), and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Thess 4:16, 17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice (G5456) of the archangel, and with the TRUMP (G4536) of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air . . .

Since us pre-tribbers make the argument as to that which is found in the trumpets of Revelation as not being TRUMPS but rather TRUMPETS. The post-trib answer is that there is no difference between a TRUMP and a TRUMPET, while they attempt to use Webster and the Greek to back up such assertions. So much for extra scriptural authorities. In order to prove that there is no last trump for the pre-trib rapture before the tribulation, post-trib advocates of that negation have striven to make the last trump and rapture to occur at the seventh trumpet of Revelation. So are we to believe that the angels had seven TRUMPS and not seven TRUMPETS? Or can we assume that the Seventh Trumpet had more than one trump left in it? And are we supposed to believe that Paul was wrong to use both TRUMP and TRUMPET SOUND in 1 Cor 15 instead of the TRUMP or the TRUMPET SOUND in both places? Needless to say, it seems that the TWO trumpets in the Book of Numbers were the one for Israel and the one for the premillennial rapture of the New Testament saints.



Post-Tribbers Argue Webster's English Definitions

Webster's 1828 dictionary: trump TRUMP, n.1. A trumpet; a wind instrument of music; a poetical word used for trumpet. It is seldom used in prose, in common discourse; but is used in Scripture, where it seems peculiarly appropriate to the grandeur of the subject. At the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised. -- 1 Cor.15, 1 Thess 4.

2. [contracted from triumph.] A winning card; one of the suit of cards which takes any of the other suits.

3. An old game with cards.

Modern Webster/Merriam: TRUMP 1 a: trumpet b chiefly Scottish : jew's harp 2 : a sound of or as if of trumpeting Origin of TRUMP Middle English trompe, from Anglo-French trumpe, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German trumba, trumpa trumpet First Known Use: 14th century.

I don’t know about you, but I hate to think that I will be awakened by a Jews’s harp at the rapture. I am not a great fan of hillbilly music, although I do not mind the fiddle, even though Nero made bad use of it during the burning of Rome.



The Last Trump or the Last Trumpet

Isa 27:12, 13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound (G5456) of a trumpet (G4536), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Heb 12:19 And the sound (G2279) of a trumpet, (G4536) and the voice (G5456) of words;

Heb 12:18, 19 For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest and the sound (G2279) of a trumpet (G4536) and a voice (G5456)whose words made the hearers beg that no further messages be spoken to them.

Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets (G4536) prepared themselves to sound (G4537).

Rev 1:10 I . . . heard behind me a great voice (G5456), as of a trumpet (G4536) . . .

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice (G5456) which I heard was as it were of a trumpet (G4536) talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound (G4537), the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice (G5456) from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded (G4537); and there were great voices (G5456) in heaven . . .

Sounding or trumpeting a trumpet and the sound and voice of a trumpet seems clear enough even to those of us who are not musically inclined or musically challenged. Our beef, however, is with drums in the church. The rapture will occur at the last "trump" (a trump of victory for the church). Also the second trumpet will sound a victory for the Jews in the tribulation (Numbers 10:2; Isa 27:12-13)] none of which are to be twisted or confused with the 7th "trumpet."



Donald Trumpet versus Donald Trump

To say that a TRUMP and a TRUMPET is the same thing is a post-tribber misdirection play, whether in English or Greek. Not only is the word salpinx (Trumpet) used in 1 Cor 15:52 but also the word salpizo (Trumpet sound) is used there. Note that “trump, sound, and voice” are used synonymously in many passages. Note that the trumpet call in Heb 12:18, 19, rather than being a rapture call, is a call to gloom and doom which could well be Revelation’s seventh trumpet to the lost as are the other six trumpets. See the following lists:


SALPINX

1. Matt 24:31 – great sound (G-phone) of a trumpet

2. 1 Cor 14:8 - trumpet give an uncertain sound (G-phone) (ISV, ESV – bugle)

3. 1 Cor 15:52 trump (Webster - trump), (YLT, ASV, ISV, ESV – sound of the Trumpet) *

4. 1 Thess 4:16 trump (YLT, ASV, Webster - trump), (ISV, ESV – sound of the Trumpet)

5. Heb 12:19 sound (G-echos) of the trumpet . . . the voice (G-phone) of

6. Rev 1:10 voice (phone) as of a trumpet

7. Rev 4:1 voice (G-hone) as it were a trumpet give an uncertain sound (G-phone)

8. Rev 8:2 seven trumpets

9. Rev 8:6 seven trumpets

10. Rev 8:13 voices of the trumpet . . . which are yet to sound (G-salpizo)

11. Rev 9:14 trumpet

Obviously, the terms trump, sound, sound of the trump, trumpet, voice, voices of a trumpet, and as it were a trump have the same meaning as each other but are not synonymous to the trumpet instrument in context. Of course, forcing trump and trumpet to be synonyms just to prove post tribulationalism is to demonstrate what it is worth - nothing.
SALPIZO

1. Matt 6:2 trumpet shall sound (trumpet)

2. 1 Cur 15:52 last trump (salpinx), the trumpet (no underlying word) shall sound (G-salpizo)

3. Rev 8:6 trumpets to sound (to trumpet, G-salpizo)

4. Rev 8:7 sounded (trumpeted - salpizo)

5. Rev 8:8 sounded (trumpeted - salpizo)

6. Rev 8:10 sounded (trumpeted - salpizo)

7. Rev 8:12 sounded (trumpeted - salpizo)

8. Rev 8:13 sounded (trumpeted - salpizo)

9. Rev 9:1 sounded (trumpeted - salpizo)

10. Rev 10:7 sounded (trumpeted - salpizo)

11. Rev 11:15 sounded (trumpeted - salpizo)


The Greek word for trumpet is used only 5 times as the instrument, whereas the sound of the trumpet, voice as of a trumpet, voices of the trumpet, as it were a trumpet, and the two times that it is rendered TRUMP is used of the sound that the trumpet makes.  I am content to allow the KJB to be the authority in the matter, whereas others are not in that they demonstrate their mental reservations about the veracity of the KJB throughout their objections. The KJB translators were much better at the use of Greek nouns and verbs than post-tribbers seem to be. Primarily, the trump is the trumpet sound or voice, whereas a trumpet is the horn that makes the sound or voice. A Trumpeter is the one that blows or sounds the horn.

The Rapture of the Elect versus the Rapture of the Bad Guys

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words;

Well, Matthew 24 is the wrong time frame for the rapture, the wrong sound of a trumpet, the wrong voice, and the wrong rapturees, despite the post-trib stretch to link Matthew 24 to Matthew 13 and Revelation 14. This gathering, in Matthew 24, is immediately after the tribulation, after the moon, sun, and stars phenomena, and Jesus’ coming in power and glory. His angels do not take the elect out of the world or catch them up to meet him in the air; instead, they gather the elect TOGETHER from the four winds, from horizon to horizon. After His coming, Armageddon occurs 24:28. This all happens AFTER the tribulation. After the gathering of these elect, the nations are judged and the gathered elect are not in heaven but rather are present on earth at that judging of the nations (in 25:40 - "these my brethren.")

Matthew 13 as the Post Trib Rapture Reaping

Mat 13:38 - 42 (38) . . . and the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the TARES are the sons of the evil one; (39.) and the enemy that sowed them is the devil: and the harvest is the end of the world; and the REAPERS are angels. (40.) As therefore the TARES are gathered up and burned with fire; so shall it be in the end of the world. (41.) The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and them that do iniquity, (42.) and shall cast them into the furnace of fire . . .

Matthew 13 is the "end of the world" and those gathered OUT OF HIS KINGDOM are the bad guys, the TARES. This is a rapture to hell and not to heaven. Since they are gathered out of HIS KINGDOM, the tribulation and the second coming, and Armageddon has ended.

Revelation 14 as the Post Trib Rapture Reaping

Rev 14:1 - 3 (1.) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. (2.) And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: (3.) And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Rev 14:14 – 20 (14.)And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. (15.) And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. (16.) And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. (17.) And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. (18.) And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. (19.) And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. (20.) And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound [Seventh Trumpet], the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded [Seventh Trumpet]; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

How can Rev. 11:15 and Rev. 14:1 – 20 both be said to be the raptures. If Rev. 11:15 is the last trump and the post trib rapture, and also Rev. 14:1 - 3 to be the END OF THE TRIBULATION which is supposedly ended in Rev 14:14, according to some post tribbers. It would seem that the tribulation is not ended at the last trump and rapture of Rev 11:15. Also the last trump and rapture occurs BEFORE THE VIALS are started. So, are the vials part of the tribulation or not? If they are still tribulation, then the tribulation is not over in Rev 11:15. So how is it a post-trib rapture? What happens now? Oh, I guess the midtribbers will now get into the act and propagandize their mid trib scenario.



Who are the 144,000 redeemed from the earth in 14:1 - 3? Jehovah’s Witnesses? Well, anyway, here we are at the post trib rapture, and some post tribbers are still pushing for a rapture in Revelation 14, where the grape vines are reaped out of here with a sickle. Strange inconsistent doctrine! The attempt to make Revelation 14 the rapture is fraught with problems. Of course sowing and reaping is what you plant and the results that you get. Nevertheless, if one counts this reaping of the harvest as the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24, one is still faced with the problem of Rev 14 and those vines having lost grapes that are destined for the wine press of the WRATH of God rather than being raptured to heaven via any post trib rapture. The Rev 14 harvest reaping is a two step process, cutting it down and gathering the results and disposing that harvest in hell. The events of Revelation 14 cannot be the events of 1 Cor 15 or 1 Thessalonians 4. The event is not the rapture of the saved but rather the metaphoric gathering of the wicked at Armageddon and the WRATH of God and involves the battle’s shed blood up to the horses’ bridles per Revelation 14.

Armageddon and the Resurrection Harvest

Mat 24:27 - 30 (27.) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (28.) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. (29.) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (30.) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory

Mark 13:24 -27 (24.) But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, (25.) And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. (26.) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. (27.) And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Rev 16:14 - 17 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air . . .

Rev 19:7 - 9, 11- 21 (7.) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (8.) And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. (9.) And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb . . . (11.)And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war . . . (14.) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (15.) And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (16.) And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (17.) And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he . . . Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; (18.) That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. (19.) And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army . . . (21.) And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Armageddon occurs after the tribulation is ended, after the marriage of the Lamb, and after the marriage supper. It is not until AFTER THE TRIBULATION that the Lord comes in power and glory to judge the nations, the second of four judgments: 1. the judgment seat of Christ for believers after their rapture. 2. The judgment at Armageddon 3. The judgment throne of Christ for the nations 4. The Great White Throne Judgment for the lost. The judgment of the nations is preceded by the pre trib rapture and the tribulation and followed by the 1000 year millennial kingdom. And then followed by the Great White Throne judgment and the FIRST resurrection is composed of the firstfruits, the harvest, and the gleanings. These do not happen simultaneously but rather at different times.

A post-tribber can't fit that into his scheme of things, but a pre-tribber can. Still, the first resurrection is completed before the millennium but not during the tribulation. The firstfruit are those that arose after Jesus’ resurrection. The Main harvest is at the rapture. The gleanings are the resurrection(s) in Revelation.

The Judgment of the Nations

Matt 25:31 - 34, 46 (31.) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and ALL the holy angels with him, then will he sit upon the throne of his glory: (32.) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: (33.) And he will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. (34.) Then will the King say to them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the KINGDOM prepared for you from the foundation of the world . . . . 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.



It is the saved and lost of those remaining nations that are judged after Armageddon. Some wind up in the kingdom and into life eternal and some into everlasting punishment. The tribulation is followed by Christ's coming in power and glory, [followed by Armageddon], followed by His gathering his elect Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory, followed by the judging of the nations below (Matt 25:31- 46).
 

-- by Herb Evans


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