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18 April 2000 Page of 314

TUESDAY, 18 APRIL 2000

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PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES

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The Council met at 10:04.
The Chairperson took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.
ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS - see col 000.
NEW MEMBER
(Announcement)
The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP announced that Rev M Chabaku, representing the Free State province, had made and subscribed the oath before her on 13 April 2000.
NOTICES OF MOTION
Mnr J L THERON: Mev die Voorsitter, by die volgende sitting van die Raad sal ek voorstel:
Dat die Raad die Minister van Buitelandse Sake versoek om -
(1) 'n verklaring uit te reik om Suid-Afrikaners in Zimbabwe gerus te stel;
(2) planne aan te kondig om aan te toon dat Suid-Afrikaners huis toe gebring sal word indien die anargiesituasie in Zimbabwe eskaleer; en
(3) aan te toon watter stappe die Regering doen om die situasie in Zimbabwe, wat uurliks versleg, te beredder.

(Translation of Afrikaans notice of motion follows.)
[Mr J L THERON: Madam Chairperson, at the next sitting of the Council I shall move:
That the Council requests the Minister of Foreign Affairs to -
(1) issue a statement to reassure South Africans in Zimbabwe;
(2) announce plans to indicate that South Africans will be brought home if the anarchic situation in Zimbabwe escalates; and
(3) indicate what steps the Government is taking to deal with the situation in Zimbabwe, which is deteriorating by the hour.]
Mnr A E VAN NIEKERK: Mev die Voorsitter, ek gee kennis dat ek by die volgende sitting van die Raad sal voorstel:
Dat die Raad -
(1) die President van Suid-Afrika inlig oor die ophoping van restitusie-eise wat nie afgehandel word nie en die gepaardgaande onsekerheid wat daardeur geskep word;
(2) daarvan kennis neem dat die Nuwe NP dit as onbillik beskou teenoor die eisers en die huidige privaateienaars van die grond;

(3) daarvan kennis neem dat die onafgehandelde eise 'n ekonomiese demper plaas op die landbou, wat uitbreiding en werkskepping aan bande lê; en


(4) erken dat die onvervulde verwagtinge wat ten opsigte van grondherverdeling geskep is, frustrasie in die hand werk en die gevaar skep dat dit ook soos in Zimbabwe handuit kan ruk en die reg op privaateiendom kan aantas.

(Translation of Afrikaans notice of motion follows.)
[Mr A E VAN NIEKERK: Madam Chairperson, I give notice that at the next sitting of the Council I shall move:
That the Council -
(1) informs the President of South Africa about the mass of restitution claims that are not being finalised and the accompanying uncertainty this is creating;
(2) notes that the New NP regards this as unfair towards the claimants and the current private landowners;
(3) notes that the unfinalised claims are putting an economic damper on agriculture, which is restricting development and job creation; and
(4) admits that the unfulfilled expectations which have been created in respect of land restitution are promoting frustration and creating the danger of getting out of control, just as in Zimbabwe, and could affect the right to private property.]
Mrs J N VILAKAZI: Chairperson, I wish to give notice that at the next sitting of the Council I shall move:
That the Council -
(1) expresses grave concern at the high number of South Africans who work to live and to support their families and who lose their lives unnecessarily through merciless taxi-related killings;
(2) notes that -
(a) the ambush of a taxi in Kranskop last week left all occupants dead;

(b) the sporadic eruptions are manifested in various areas almost in all provinces; and


(c) the recent taxi war in the Western Cape between taxi operators and the Golden Arrow Bus Service is not an exception; and
(3) requests the Minister of Transport to institute extra control measures to prevent the escalation of violence in the taxi industry.
Mr P A MATTHEE: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at the next sitting of the Council I will move:
That the Council -
(1) notes -
(a) the admission by the Minister for Safety and Security that the SA Police Service is experiencing shortages at provincial and national level of trained personnel, equipment, vehicles and other logistical support, which hamper them in their task to prevent and combat crime in all nine provinces in South Africa;
(b) that the total number of the shortages in trained personnel spread across all provinces is 7 000;
(c) that the total number of the shortages in vehicles spread across all provinces is 7 860;
(d) that the total amount of the budget needed to address the shortages of personnel, vehicles, computer networks and general equipment is R928 million;
(e) that the Government only intends to increase the number of personnel in the SAPS over the next four to five years by increasing the number of personnel by 7 000, most of whom will be entry-level personnel, and that the shortages in vehicles and other equipment will only be addressed over the next three to four years; and
(f) that in the light of the present totally unacceptable high levels of crime in our country, the said situation and the Government's intentions only to address the said shortages over periods of three to five and three to four years are not acceptable to this Council; and
(2) resolves that the safety and security of all our citizens, and therefore the fight against crime, should be regarded as the Government's most fundamental duty and highest priority and that the Government should make the R928 million required to address the said shortages available to the SAPS immediately.
CONGRATULATIONS TO WESTERN CAPE GOVERNMENT AND PREMIER
(Draft Resolution)
Mnr C ACKERMANN: Mev die Voorsitter, ek stel voor:
Dat die Raad -
(1) die premier en die regering van die Wes-Kaap gelukwens met die Goue Pyl en Goue Ster-toekennings wat hulle ontvang het;

(2) kennis neem dat die Goue Pyl-toekenning aan die premier, mnr Morkel, deur 'n paneel van 42 ekonome, beleggingsanaliste en sakeleiers gedoen is, omdat sy provinsie se prestasies die meeste toegeneem het;


(3) verder kennis neem dat bogenoemde paneel die Wes-Kaap aangewys het as die provinsie wat die meeste gedoen het om probleme met werkloosheid op te los;
(4) die premier van Gauteng daarmee gelukwens dat hy die tweede beste gevaar het; en
(5) daarvan kennis neem dat die Wes-Kaap hierdie prestasie vir die tweede agtereenvolgende jaar kon behaal.

(Translation of Afrikaans notice of motion follows.)
[Mr C ACKERMANN: Madam Chair, I move:
That the Council -
(1) congratulates the Premier and the government of the Western Cape on the Golden Arrow and Golden Star awards which they received;

(2) notes that the Golden Arrow award to the Premier, Mr Morkel, was made by a panel of 42 economists, investment analysts and business leaders because his province's achievements showed the greatest increase;


(3) also notes that the aforementioned panel named the Western Cape as the province which has done the most to solve problems of unemployment;
(4) congratulates the Premier of Gauteng for coming second; and
(5) notes that the Western Cape province was able to attain this achievement for the second consecutive year.]
[Applause.]
The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Order! Is there any objection to the motion? [Interjections.] There is an objection. The motion therefore cannot be proceeded with. It will therefore become a notice of motion.
ROAD SAFETY OVER THE EASTER WEEKEND

(Draft Resolution)


Chief M L MOKOENA: Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) notes that the Easter holiday is upon us once again;
(2) further notes that past Easter holidays have taken a terrible toll on many families who lost loved ones through road accidents;
(3) urges all South Africans intending to travel over this period to exercise the utmost care when they are on the roads; and
(4) calls on the Minister of Transport and on the department to ensure that there are enough traffic officials available over this period.
Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.
CONGRATULATIONS TO GOLFERS VIJAY SINGH AND ERNIE ELS

(Draft Resolution)


Mr N M RAJU: Chairperson, I wish to move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) congratulates two great non-American golfers, Vijay Singh of Fiji and Ernie Els of South Africa, on coming first and second in the prestigious US Masters Golf Tournament which was held at the famous Augusta National Golf Course in Georgia, USA;
(2) acknowledges that to beat the world's best golfers and especially the much-vaunted Americans in their own backyard is no mean achievement; and
(3) notes with gratification that the victor in this great tournament was a golfer of colour from the seemingly unknown island of Fiji, which is a source of great inspiration to all disadvantaged golfers all over the world.
What a victory! Not only for Vijay Singh but a great triumph for the sport itself - golf is indeed the ultimate winner. We celebrate!
Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.
DRAFT DISCUSSION DOCUMENT TOWARDS A WHITE PAPER ON TRADITIONAL LEADERSHIP AND INSTITUTIONS
(Draft Resolution)
Mr M A SULLIMAN: Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) notes that the institution of traditional leadership was never accorded pride of place in the systems of apartheid governance;
(2) also notes the recent launching of a draft discussion document towards a White Paper on Traditional Leadership and Institutions;
(3) is of the opinion that the discussion document will give us an opportunity to map out a vision which will harmonise the indigenous institutions of traditional leadership with our evolving system of democratic governance, and accord it the priority it deserves; and
(4) wishes to congratulate the Minister for Provincial and Local Government on the launching of this discussion document.
Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.
CONGRATULATIONS TO NATIONAL CRICKET TEAM
(Draft Resolution)
Me E C GOUWS: Mev die Voorsitter, ek stel voor sonder kennisgewing:
Dat die Raad -
(1) die nasionale krieketspan onder die kapteinskap van Shaun Pollock hartlik gelukwens met die skitterende oorwinning oor die wêreldkampioen Australië; en
(2) erken dat die oorwinning veral merkwaardig en soet is in die lig van die emosionele druk wat op die span geplaas is as gevolg van die voorafgaande ongelukkige gebeure.

(Translation of Afrikaans draft resolution follows.)
[Ms E C Gouws: Madam Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) congratulates the national cricket team under the captaincy of Shaun Pollock on the excellent victory over the world champions, Australia; and
(2) recognises that the victory is particularly remarkable and sweet in the light of the emotional pressure that was brought to bear upon the team as a result of the preceding unfortunate events.]
Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.
FALL IN JOHANNESBURG STOCK EXCHANGE
(Draft Resolution)
Dr E A CONROY: Voorsitter, ek stel sonder kennisgewing voor:
Dat die Raad -
(1) kennis neem van die geweldige verliese wat gister op die Johannesburgse Effektebeurs gely is ná die dramatiese val in die pryse van veral inligtingstegnologie-aandele en in reaksie op soortgelyke gebeure in veral die VSA;
(2) 'n dringende versoek tot kalmte rig aan diegene wat verliese as gevolg daarvan gely het; en
(3) sy vertroue herbevestig in die inherente groeikrag, basiese gesondheid en herstelvermoë van die Suid-Afrikaanse ekonomie, wat hom in staat stel om terugslae van hierdie aard te verwerk en te oorkom.

(Translation of Afrikaans draft resolution follows.)
[Dr E A CONROY: Mr Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) notes the huge losses suffered on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange yesterday following the dramatic drop in the prices of information technology shares in particular, and in response to similar happenings, especially in the USA;
(2) addresses an urgent appeal for calm to those who suffered losses as a result of this; and
(3) reaffirms its confidence in the inherent vitality, basic soundness and power of recovery of the South African economy, which enables it to process and overcome setbacks of this nature.]
Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.

ELECTION OF SCHOOL GOVERNING BODIES
(Draft Resolution)
Mr P D N MALOYI: Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) notes that one of the nine priorities identified by the Minister of Education, Comrade Kader Asmal, is to enable schools to become centres of community life;
(2) notes that the election for school governing bodies will take place during the course of this year;
(3) believes that democratically elected school governing bodies are an essential part of our campaign to make schools the centres of community life; and
(4) therefore calls on communities to participate in the election of school governing bodies so that they can provide leadership and direction in the development of our schools.
Mr A E VAN NIEKERK: Chairperson, I move as an amendment:
That, in paragraph (1), the words ``the Minister of Education, Comrade Kader Asmal'' be substituted by ``the honourable Minister of Education, Dr Kader Asmal''.
[Laughter.]
Amendment agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.
Motion, as amended, agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution, namely:
(1) notes that one of the nine priorities identified by the honourable Minister of Education, Dr Kadar Asmal, is to enable schools to become centres of community life;
(2) notes that the election for school governing bodies will take place during the course of this year;
(3) believes that democratically elected school governing bodies are an essential part of our campaign to make schools the centres of community life; and
(4) therefore calls on communities to participate in the election of school governing bodies so that they can provide leadership and direction in the development of our schools.
OPERATION OF INSIDER TRADING ACT
(Draft Resolution)
Ms Q D MAHLANGU: Chairperson, I wish to move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) notes that -
(a) the Insider Trading Act, which was passed by the Council in 1998, came into effect on 1 May 1999;
(b) from then until 28 March 2000, 83 investigations have been registered;
(c) 44 of these cases have been investigated and closed;
(d) in six of the cases the individuals whose transactions were investigated, settled out of court with the Directorate for the repayment of the profit made (or the loss avoided) and for the payment of a penalty of twice that amount; and
(e) these funds have been used to cover the costs of the investigations, and the balance is in the process of being distributed to persons who may have been prejudiced; and
(2) commends the Financial Services Board on its good work.
Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.
HAULING OF PERLEMOEN IN BETTY'S BAY AND KLEINMOND AREA

(Draft Resolution)


Rev P MOATSHE: Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) notes that -
(a) the hauling of perlemoen in the Betty's Bay and Kleinmond area is illegal; and
(b) perlemoen is a valuable commercial resource which could become extinct; and
(2) therefore -
(a) resolves that national and provincial government continue to protect its natural and marine resources; and
(b) calls on all provincial and local authorities to host an urgent meeting of all affected stakeholders to peacefully resolve the controversial hauling of perlemoen.

Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.


APPOINTMENT OF BONGANI KHUMALO TO HEAD THE GOVERNMENT'S HIV/AIDS AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES
(Draft Resolution)
Ms C S BOTHA: Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the Council -
(1) notes that the Democratic Party supports the secondment of Mr Bongani Khumalo, former deputy CEO for Human Resource Management at Eskom, to head the Government's HIV/Aids and rural development strategies;
(2) further notes that these important issues have been embroiled in, and hampered by, controversy and nondelivery, whilst the lack of progress with both issues has had a multiplying effect, daily exacerbating the impact of both;
(3) acknowledges that with this move, the President's office has appointed a person as administrator and manager with a proven track record in the field of practical delivery; and
(4) commends the recognition of merit which this appointment indicates.
The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Order! Is there any objection to the motion?
Mr M A SULLIMAN: We object to the motion, Chair.
The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Order! There is an objection. The motion will therefore become notice of a motion.
AMENDMENT OF RESOLUTION ADOPTING REPORT ON OPEN DEMOCRACY BILL
(Draft Resolution)
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE COUNCIL: Chairperson, I move the draft resolution printed in my name on the Order Paper, as follows:

That, subject to the concurrence of the National Assembly, the resolution of the Council of 27 January 2000 adopting the Report of the Ad hoc Joint Committee on Open Democracy Bill on the Open Democracy Bill [B 67 - 98] (Announcements, Tablings and Committee Reports, p 15) be amended as follows:


That -
(1) the Report be adopted, except that -
(a) with reference to paragraph 7 of the Report, the Department of Justice and Constitutional Development report back to Parliament (rather than to ``the Committee'') on the feasibility of establishing an enforcement mechanism like the Information Commissioner; and
(b) with reference to paragraph 9 of the Report, the Council notes that the task of redrafting the chapter on whistle blower protection, which was omitted from the bill presented to the Houses by the ad hoc joint committee, has been assigned by the National Assembly to the National Assembly Portfolio Committee on Justice and Constitutional Development, the Committee to present the redrafted chapter as a separate bill; and
(2) the Ad hoc Joint Committee on Open Democracy Bill is accordingly dissolved.
Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.
PRECEDENCE TO ORDER OF THE DAY
(Draft Resolution)
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE COUNCIL: Chairperson, I would like to move without notice that item no 3 on the Order Paper, that is, the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa Bill, be given precedence and that it be dealt with immediately after the first item. The reason is that Minister Kader Asmal is going to introduce item no 3, and I have made this particular request for his convenience.
Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.

APPROPRIATION BILL
(Review of Policy)
Vote No 8: Education:
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION: Chairperson, hon members and delegates, this is my first report to the NCOP on my stewardship of the Department of Education.
On the Order Paper it is written that this is a review of my policy. I will, of course, be looking at the relationship between the central department and the provinces. The details of the policy will be found in our annual report published a few weeks ago.
However, I wish to begin by acknowledging with great pleasure the appointment of the Chairperson, Ms Naledi Pandor, to the high honour of Chancellorship of the Cape Technikon. I would also like to acknowledge the passion and dedication she has brought to the role of chairperson of the Tertiary Education Fund of SA, which administers the national student financial aid scheme.
It has been the custom for this debate to focus on the condition of the provincial education systems, even though Vote 8 is the budgetary appropriation for the national Education department. In fact, almost all of it represents transfer payments to the higher education system, which is an exclusive competence of the national level of government. However, I invite members of the House to raise higher education issues when the appropriate occasion arises.
When I introduced the education debate in the National Assembly on 14 March 2000, I remarked that Vote 8 contains no funds to support provincial education systems, other than conditional grants to assist provincial education departments to carry forward innovative work in capacity-building and quality improvement. In fact, the massive appropriations for provincial education - up to R43 billion - are made by provincial legislatures out of the funds voted to them in the block grants to provinces.
I noted the disjunction between the political responsibility of the Minister of Education for the state of education throughout the country, and the fact that the Minister does not control, or even influence, provincial allocations of resources for education. I then observed that I am closing this gap, not with a constitutional amendment, but with a vigorous interpretation of the constitutional doctrine of co-operative government, which seemed to have raised some alarm after my speech in the National Assembly.
It is an unquestionable fact of our national life that the Minister of Education carries the political burden of responsibility for the welfare of the entire national system of education. It is an indisputable consequence of our constitutional arrangements that the Minister of Education controls no provincial education budgets and disposes of no executive power with respect to provincial education. In brief, I have no lawful authority to order any provincial officer to do anything whatsoever.
The President and his Cabinet carry executive responsibility for every matter of national interest. The provincial governments are required to execute national legislation, policy and frameworks that advance the national interest. The national Government is obliged to assist each provincial government.
Therefore, to apply a vigorous interpretation of co-operative government means that I undertake: firstly, to assist my provincial colleagues in whatever way my department and I can devise; secondly, to monitor the performance of provincial education departments in fulfilling their constitutional duties, carrying out national policy and achieving agreed performance targets; thirdly, to call my provincial colleagues to account; and fourthly, to exert every ounce of political authority I possess in order to extend educational opportunity to all our people and to improve the quality of learning throughout our system.
The Council of Education Ministers - in keeping with the lofty role of education, we do not have MECs when they meet together -with an almost entirely new cast of members, has had the cobwebs shaken out of it, and is now functioning as an invaluable, lively, interactive forum for political debate, mutual support, mutual correction and executive decision-making.
MECs for education and I have made numerous highly visible visits to schools to monitor performance on the first day of term, to expose cases of notorious abuse and neglect, and to praise and encourage educators and learners who are succeeding even under conditions of serious adversity.
We are collectively determined to ensure that the management and staff of every school, college and learning centre in the country are held to the highest standards of professional delivery. The organised teaching profession and the South African Council for Educators are indispensable allies in these endeavours. A Bill to provide for the establishment of the council and to formalise its work will come before Parliament during the current session, and will be introduced first in the NCOP.
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